Money For College

[FreedomHippie]

Originally Posted by whocares123

how much minority status you have and how much your parents make, or rather, how little they make, will earn you more scholarship money.

Well I'm white, as of right now that minority is still quite large

As for my parents I understand thats how it works but i just always found that funny. My dad makes about 30-40,000 a year maybe.

How is it that so many colleges charge for a year, more than almost everyone makes in a year (also consider how many years of college you need)? I could be wrong with this assumption, it just seems like there must be a hell of a lot of people in debt paying off loans and shit for going to college, unless you end up with a good job.

[Charles Manson]

As all of you continue to grow up, you will slowly and sometimes quickly realize America is a very fucked up nation. And it treats its most educated people like shit.

Foreigners are given scholarships and free tuition.
Minorities are given scholarships and free tuition.
A lot of people are given a free ride, because they are not white.

I have grown up pretty poor myself. Sure, my parents are wealthy. Have they ever given me a fucking cent? Hell no. Did I go to the library almost every damn day on the bus while eating food from the discount store? Yes, I fucking did. Yet somehow, I'm not considered poor by America's economic system.

I ended up more intelligent than those foreigners and minorities. I've had a couple of letters from MIT, too. I've talked to various, world-renown professors, too.

And yet, somehow, I don't get a fucking free ride.
That pisses me off.

If anything, it's discrimination against white people.

I understand the ghetto. And do white people that have grown up in the ghetto reap the same benefits of the minorities? Hell no. At least, not very often!

The educational system is corrupt. The economics of it are corrupt. And the truth is, once you graduate, it's still corrupt. People want a minority to work for them, not a white male.

The last fucked up thing I read was about UIUC Dean/President admiring how more black students want to come there. I thought to myself, "Oh, such biased bullshit. My ex-gf just got accepted because she is a minority, and she gets a free ride." The mother fucker was only happy, because the minority rate went up, and the government was paying for them.

She's black. She know she is getting a free ride. And she understands the system is fucked up.
Regardless, she's taking advantage of it. She was even able to go to a boarding school for free, because she is black and a minority.

At times, I often consider neo-nazis to be right in a lot of the things they say. And they are right in the things they say. I like black people, well oreos more than dumby niggers (and the oreos hate dumby niggers). But I notice the neo-nazis are right in the things they say. I'm not supporting their eugenic view toward society, but when it comes to education, race, and economics, they're often dead on.

I remember once some guy tried blowing up / killing people because he believed Sullivan learning center was going to create highly intelligent children that would screw up society more than help it. Now, have we seen it yet? No, not ex-act-ly yet. However, if you trace things, you'll notice that children are the new competitor. They always have been, but now they're more than ever.

This is another point in life where you learn to stop helping people and become selfish / capitalistic. You can be communistic, just don't help people. It's hypocritical, but you've got to do certain things to succeed.

Older people built the internet, wikipedia, and other educational tools. The young reap the benefits and excel their learning beyond what we had in the past. Albeit, the web has limits to this day.

To say the least, you're bound to go into debt when you go for a degree, because society has developed to fuck you over while somehow winning while you lose.

whocares123 story is very close to how you'll be looking at the picture. Except, you might not be able to get as much free money.

[FreedomHippie]

Wow thank you for that man. Do you think going to college in another country would be better at all? I remember seeing this thing on tv that most colleges in England and other countries are way cheaper than american ones, but what about scholarships and shit for a foreign college?

[Charles Manson]

Originally Posted by FreedomHippie

Wow thank you for that man. Do you think going to college in another country would be better at all? I remember seeing this thing on tv that most colleges in England and other countries are way cheaper than american ones, but what about scholarships and shit for a foreign college?

Well, foreign colleges pay for their students to go to college. It's part of the welfare system, I think. Australia and Sweden do it. Perhaps some other countries do it, too. If you want a certain career and want to travel, it's not such a bad idea. I mean, people say, "Join the military!" and all that bullshit, but going to another nation at times doesn't seem like such a bad idea. Sure, the educational systems can be radically different than America's at times, such as Spain's Final Exam system, where you take a big exam that tests you on all your comprehensive knowledge; and it tends to be somewhat of a fascist educational system. However, in some places, it's still free. Mind you, you've got to pay the government the money back. But in some places, you don't. But there's a catch, such as working for someone after you get the degree. And even in America, medical doctors get loans from medical institutions, during which they sign contracts saying once the person gets the degree, he or she will work there for a set period of time; this can be five years for many people.

The main point about that is that you have your degree and you're working in the field you want to work in. It may not be where you want to work, but it's a guaranteed job.

Sweden gives students money, but if you fuck up, they won't give you anymore money. In other words, if you drop too many classes or get bad grades, you just screwed yourself over.

It takes time for residency, though, and that can take months to a couple of years.
But with the way some people work part-time and go to college part-time, sometimes you break even.
Time vs. money.

If you work part-time and go to college part-time, thus taking four years to get the two-year degree, then you could have done two-years work in some foreign land to later get free tuition. Hmm, sounds tempting. Stay in America vs. go somewhere else. The only thing is that America has always found ways to be an academic center for the elite, except when it comes to various bioethic issues. That's why some people rather stay in America for their degree.

It could be that the media which represents scientific findings is ethocentric and biased. In other words, it shows mostly what American scientists have done vs. a small amount (which would be unrepresentative of the large amount of work) done by by foreign scientists.

So, there is an upside/downside to these things.

Then again, America is a bastard nation that gives free rides to the most educated foreigners, thus reducing the scientific power of foreign lands. This is one of the things that helps keep America elite. Yet, at the same time, it's making foreign lands as academic centers less appealing.

Something I never looked into was whether or not an American could get a free ride by going to a foreign land. I mean, if the Chinese/Taiwanese can come here and get free rides, why can't Americans go somewhere else and get a free ride?

With the monetary value of various currencies beating America's at the time, I don't see why I can't fucking go to Japan for free.

[xilikeeggs0]

Originally Posted by whocares123

how much minority status you have and how much your parents make, or rather, how little they make, will earn you more scholarship money.

not really. being a white female, i still got $50,000 to one school. how much your parents make doesn't affect your scholarship, only your loans/grants.

[whocares123]

Originally Posted by xilikeeggs0

not really. being a white female, i still got $50,000 to one school. how much your parents make doesn't affect your scholarship, only your loans/grants.

pretty much every scholarship i saw/applied for was either outright need based, or included in the fine print would say "need is taken into account." i thought there was going to be merit based scholarships out there. why the fuck else would i work to get straight A's in high school. but nah. nah. there weren't.

when it comes to financial aid, they really base it off your income and don't take into account if say, you literally have $0 in the bank, and a shitload of prior debt that sucks your paychecks dry every two weeks. this is my case. my parents combined made over $100k, and i'm their only dependent (on paper; my 27 year old sister still lives at home), and thus the only kid they have in college. looking at the FAFSA then, it would appear that these people should have no problem paying for my college education. when you apply for scholarships, they usually request a copy of your FAFSA, see.

so that's why i got nothing.

edit: and because of that high income number, i obviously don't qualify for any magic government loans or grants. just the $3500 stafford loan every freshman is eligible for, and it's not subsidized.

[Spam Man Sam]

Originally Posted by FreedomHippie

Wow thank you for that man. Do you think going to college in another country would be better at all? I remember seeing this thing on tv that most colleges in England and other countries are way cheaper than american ones, but what about scholarships and shit for a foreign college?

How? The GBP is the strongest currency around.

[Charles Manson]

Originally Posted by xilikeeggs0

not really. being a white female, i still got $50,000 to one school. how much your parents make doesn't affect your scholarship, only your loans/grants.

I know some bullshit that revolves around.
Sure, some people find amazing ways to get cash.
And there are the most odd opportunities that land a person tons of money.

I know this one girl who was able to get tuition to a four-year university because she did this constant kid camp thing with a lot of rich, snobby children. She had to watch over them and become their bitch, such as taking their mental abuse and whatnot.

Tell me, xili, what exactly did you do to get that $50,000?
Just apply? Apply how and for what?

[xilikeeggs0]

Originally Posted by Charles Manson

I know some bullshit that revolves around.
Sure, some people find amazing ways to get cash.
And there are the most odd opportunities that land a person tons of money.

I know this one girl who was able to get tuition to a four-year university because she did this constant kid camp thing with a lot of rich, snobby children. She had to watch over them and become their bitch, such as taking their mental abuse and whatnot.

Tell me, xili, what exactly did you do to get that $50,000?
Just apply? Apply how and for what?

I filled out the application for my school. They offered me $50,000 to go there. I said yes. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

[FreedomHippie]

Originally Posted by xilikeeggs0

I filled out the application for my school. They offered me $50,000 to go there. I said yes. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

What kind of application did you fill out? Where exactly did the 50 grand come from?